Sawyer and Juliet are fine. Kate coming back into it and looking like another triangle is just blech. Let Sawyer move on, the Kate thing is overcooked. The 3 year dharma thing has me completely perplexed. Why? And if they find out new things with dharma after being their for 3 years already im really going to hit someone with a shovel.
Exactly. Juliet lived a few years with the Others. We have learnt nothing about the Others. Now Sawyer/Juliet/Miles etc. lived 3 years with DI. And I'm sure they will be secretive just as much or say things we already know.
As a viewer I just feel "played with". After 5 years still no real pay-off. Just endless bit and pieces with filler references overflowing from screen "hey look how clever I am to make you wonder about the questions I'm creating. Am I telling this or that or nothing?".
The episode was a let down for me. It was again a perfect example of why flashforward narrative style has totally changed Lost. Not in better way... Why do we have to see 108 days in 4 years if we were to see 3 years in just one episode. Now we have 108 days told in incredibly long time. Balance/logic/sense of continuity/meaning have all been sacrificed for extending Lost's lifetime. I don't know its like getting pieces of a puzzle linearly for four years for 20% of the puzzle and then getting the rest in 2 seasons for 80 percent of the puzzle.
I'm sure Boone/Shannon/Eko and Charlie are thinking in their graves "what was their mistake to die?" if the show's whole point was hot people hooking up and creating various angled relationship drama. I can't help but think about the past seasons and go "why did we need this?". Did all the deaths/danger and "face your past" thing mean something at all? Given where the characters are now. Libby/Ana Lucia and Michael stories are worthless than ever. I don't understand why they had to die (especially Eko) while Juliet or Sawyer lives.
My main problem with this episode was that neither the stuff happening "three years later" nor the stuff happening "three years earlier" were very interesting. And I also don't believe that in 3 years, nothing else of interest happened. Sure, more of it might be visited later on as even more flashbacks to that time, but why show us this stuff in this episode at all - it was just tedious unfortunately. I find relationship stuff to be bogus in the first place, but you can't expect me to buy into a connection between two people, built over 3 years, when you don't show any of it at all, and just cut to "yeah, so they got together". If they screw around with Jack/Sawyer/Kate/Juliet 8-way relationship BS, it's going to be so boring. From the viewers' perspective, I don't think we can even really appreciate how long Sawyer has been away from Kate, because these 3 years of Sawyer's life have just been skipped by in the story.
Alpert was great as usual, and I enjoyed seeing the statue. I also liked Sawyer's approach to situations to just say "Yeah well I'm doing what I feel like" - shooting the others, and going out to talk with Alpert, those were things I wanted to happen so I was relieved they did. But really other than those things, I couldn't enjoy it. And I really believe that if you were to have missed this episode, you could come back to the following episode and probably get the gist - "So Sawyer was with the others, doing whatever, and how did he get the job? Never mind"
I actually loved the episode... But at the end of it I felt a great deal of disappointment.
Why? Because of the promos for this episode... They made it seem like the reunion was going to be in this episode, it was not... Only a teaser of it, which ultimately became the final cliffhanger of the episode.
A promo is meant to say "Tune in, because there is going to be more after this in THIS episode" It is not supposed to say "Here is the end of the episode, no need to watch it, tune in 2 weeks from now for what you really want to see."
They gave away the damn ending in the promos! And they deceived us about what the episode contained at the same time.
If they had been truthful about what the episode contained I would probably be giddy right now in anticipation for Ep. 9... And now, Now I dunno... I feel conned by ABC (pardon the pun)
I actually loved the episode... But at the end of it I felt a great deal of disappointment.
Why? Because of the promos for this episode... They made it seem like the reunion was going to be in this episode, it was not... Only a teaser of it, which ultimately became the final cliffhanger of the episode.
A promo is meant to say "Tune in, because there is going to be more after this in THIS episode" It is not supposed to say "Here is the end of the episode, no need to watch it, tune in 2 weeks from now for what you really want to see."
They gave away the damn ending in the promos! And they deceived us about what the episode contained at the same time.
If they had been truthful about what the episode contained I would probably be giddy right now in anticipation for Ep. 9... And now, Now I dunno... I feel conned by ABC (pardon the pun)
Ya, I felt this way.
I loved the character development, especially for Sawyer, but the end reunion was just kind of "meh".
Typically, I post on the “Rate It” thread first, with a detailed review of the episode, but this one seemed so… off, I still don’t know what to give it. So, I’m going to start here and hope to form a final mark- I know it won’t be anything more than a 4 for the reasons below.
With the butcher-job they have done on who used to be my favorite character (Locke) over the years, I have found myself saying that I guess Sawyer might be (I’m really not sure anymore) my favorite character, now. He seems to be the only one who has at least grown as a character since killing Locke’s daddy (which seemed to change him- as it certainly would, unless you’re Dexter): instead of being selfish all the time, he started caring, helping and thinking of others first (Claire and Aaron, Hurley, jumping out of the helicopter, etc.). But, in this episode, he just seemed… off. Even the way he looked in his DHARMA jumpsuit- my wife and I kept saying he looked… weird. Other than his scenes with Miles and Richard, it was a really bad episode for his character.
Now, I must address the idiotic love square. This was my fear as soon as Sawyer swam up on shore after the freighter exploded. Why is it that these people insist on going down this awful road? The triangles aren’t bad enough, now we need a love square between Jack, Kate, Sawyer & Juliet? With Charlotte back from the dead but now only about five, will this love square morph into a pentagon with Daniel being added to the mix? If these writers feel the need to pursue this kind of crap, why don’t they jump ship (pun intended) to Desperate Housewives or whatever daytime soaps are currently on the air?
Next, I must admit, I was extremely satisfied with what appears to be closure on the four-toed statue: a 5 – 10 second shot of the back of it and then one big flash to 1974. That was really awesome, gang. Instead of doing a flash and maybe ending up in four-toed statue time for an episode or two, just show the back of it for a few seconds and move on to domesticated Sawyer bringing Juliet flowers (the only thing missing was the dreadful Neil Diamond and Barbara Streisand song, You Don’t Bring Me Flowers). This is just a travesty if this was it for big Mr. Four-Toe.
So a big, long, yawn-fest to lead up to the big, flat, reunion at the end. Oh, are Kate and Sawyer going to get back together? Are they? Are they? Here’s a better question: is Kate going to tell Sawyer that after she somehow lost Aaron (he was probably taken away from her in some big Ben master plan), she naturally just jumped in the sack with Jack just before coming back to the Island? I know if I were single, a woman like this is just what I would want. She’s every man’s dream.
Is this show ever just going to stay in one time for an entire episode? It began just after Locke disappeared in the well, then we have a “final” flash and that appears to be it for the flashes, but then the episode was just like watching a game of table tennis: three years later; three years earlier; three years later; three years earlier, etc. So, we just sit there like we’re doing another high school homework assignment- okay, so it’s 1974/1977: When was it that Ben came to the Island, again? When was the purge, again? If the woman from 24 (Amy??) had her baby in 1977, what male character have we seen that could be 27? Karl? No, he was too young. I’ll come back to that one. Let’s see, how was she even able to deliver a baby on the Island? Did something happen after 1977 to make it so that women on the Island couldn’t give birth- or, did Locke’s fixing the skipping FDW fix that, too? And on and on, like that. I like to be challenged by good writing, but when I have to keep a flowchart of years, sequence of events spanning 50+ years, characters and plot points just to get through one episode, it feels more like high school homework: in the end, does any of it really matter to get through life?
Lastly, I found myself scratching my head over the year they ended up in from the last flash. Is there any significance to years ending in 4? It was 2004 when #815 crashed on the Island, it was 1954 in Jughead and 1974 in this episode (although by the end, it must be 1977 when the big reunion happened due to the “three years later”). Any significance to this, or is it just the luck of the draw on the FDW- like a roulette wheel?
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