All along JJ said he wanted to present the Island as a character on the show, and I think the actual show makes the island a sentient being. With this background, the whispers could be the island, its trees and other living things. The whispers could be the Island (or Jacob or Smokey) listening in to people's minds, or alternatively, if the living parts of the island (trees) are reincarnated people, Island/Jacob/Smokey could be 'talking' to them.
Very interesting take on this. I've thought for quite awhile that the Island is very much alive although I'm not quite sure how but didn't think about the other life forms such as trees being alive too. These life forms as the whispers. It doesn't seem quite "right" to me but it is as good a theory as everyone else...IMHO.
I think the Whispers are like the numbers, something cool and eerie and hard to explain which lends a certain atmosphere to the island. I'm not sure tptb are going to give us some logical, scientific explanation for either. I do believe that everyone who ever died on the island has left remnants of their souls behind and maybe they get talky when there's danger because they function like guardian angels--but it's a stretch, just like every other theory.
Didn't we hear the whispers in Namaste before Sun and Frank meet Christian?
Oh yeah. You've got your whispers, your Smoky sounds and your Smoky moving trees, your lone metal sign banging in the wind against the side of an old dilapidated building, your swirling mist, dead leaves and doors blown open by the wind, your wall of old dusty photos and your door that slowly opens by itself. Oh yeah can't forget your CREEPY OLD DEAD GUY behind the door who shows you pictures of things that can't be. That scene had it all. It was just great.
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Ben warned her to stay away from the whispers so she'd stay away from the others. Whispers= Others showing up.
It's more like the Others are about to appear out of no where rather than just showing up or just appearing. If they show up by sub or by hiking we don't get the whispers but when an Other is just there suddenly-like Harper was- and then just as suddenly gone we hear them. And they seem to come at you from all directions at once. To me they are somehow generated by the method the Others used to travel about the island. I was excited to hear Ben mention the whispers because this is the first time we have heard someone who knows about them speak. I think Ben meant for Danielle to run away from the whispers because it meant an Other was going to use that transportation method to be there shortly. And it might be ETHAN.
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And the Whispers have been heard OFF ISLAND as well. For example, when Charlotte Malkin(the Psychic's daughter) was in the autopsy room
Here's a transcript of the Whispers during Charlotte M.'s autopsy:
This is an example of hidden audio. Don't confuse hidden audio with the whispers. The whispers sound... whispery. Hidden audio is like all the dialogue found in the scene when Sayid tortures Benry. Or hidden in the monster sounds when Smoky splats the pilot (that'll show him for subbing for Frank) . Or the autopsy scene. I think there is less hidden audio now than there used to be.
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This would seem to debunk people's theories on them being "echoes" from time travelers.
Not necessarily. The time travelers first showed up in 1974. This was 1988, so theoretically, they could still be on the island.
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Ana did kill Shannon... there's no two ways about it
The Whispers just signaled her death I guess...?
If one is going by the TT theory/Losties as observers (and I'm not necessarily on board with this myself), they could have been observing this scene.
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This is an example of hidden audio. Don't confuse hidden audio with the whispers. The whispers sound... whispery. Hidden audio is like all the dialogue found in the scene when Sayid tortures Benry. Or hidden in the monster sounds when Smoky splats the pilot (that'll show him for subbing for Frank) . Or the autopsy scene. I think there is less hidden audio now than there used to be.
Right, definitely not the same thing. We haven't found any since season 3, although we didn't really have good audio help for season 4. We know there is definitely no hidden audio in the smokey scene in Dead is Dead.
Just for my own 2 cents, I did think Ben used the line about the whispers to keep Danielle safe, as well as Alex. If Danielle approached the camp, Widmore and his people would know she is still alive and that Ben hadn't followed orders. They might suspect that Jacob didn't really want Alex to live, and that Ben had used that as a convenient excuse, getting both her and Danielle killed.
Not that this explains the whispers as a phenomenon, but I personally didn't feel like this episode really shed any new light on that question.
This is an example of hidden audio. Don't confuse hidden audio with the whispers. The whispers sound... whispery. Hidden audio is like all the dialogue found in the scene when Sayid tortures Benry. Or hidden in the monster sounds when Smoky splats the pilot (that'll show him for subbing for Frank) . Or the autopsy scene. I think there is less hidden audio now than there used to be.
What then is the purpose of "hidden audio"in Lost...I thought we could hear the whispers in Charlotte's autopsy scene?
We do hear them at times other than when someone is about to die or is killed. Now though you have me wondering if there is a pattern to the whispers that are non-death related.
Long ago, there was a theory back in S2(before we had known as much as we do now) that Smokey always appeared during a time when someone was experiencing a high,intense level of emotion...but now I'm wondering if that is when the whispers appear.
I may have to go do a little research on whispers and when we hear them....
Well, Sawyer hears the whispers twice when chasing the boar both times after awaking from a dream about his parent's deaths.("Outlaws", S1,ep.16)
And no one dies not even the boar in this episode.
Here's one of the whisper transcripts that Sawyer hears as he's running through the jungle after the boar...
“ Female Voice- "Maybe we should just talk to him"
Male Voice- "No if he see us it will ruin everything"
Male Voice- "What did he see"
Female Voice- "They could help us"
Male Voice- "Can't trust"
Male Voice- "Come back around"
(Sawyer pauses, crickets and cicada are heard)
Male Voice- "What did he see"
Male Voice- "Nothing, he was following it"
Female Voice- "Speak"
Male Voice- "Nothing" Frank Duckett's Voice- "It'll come back around"
”
The voices seem to be friendly but wanting help?? Are they trapped somehow?
However, while no one dies, Sawyer is thinking about dead people. You might be on to something!
While the smoke monster can be summoned, it does seem to have some correlation with appearing when there are intense levels of emotion. I was also surprised to notice that Sayid and Sawyer's argument seemed to trigger the polar bear attack in the Pilot, which was interesting.
I think the Smoke monster's a coward. It was scared of Eko. Kept sneakin up on him, couldn't fight him man to man. Smokey had to wait til he could summon all his strength to bash Eko. Usually Smokey just tears someone apart easy, he had to smashy smashy Eko.
Oh yeah. You've got your whispers, your Smoky sounds and your Smoky moving trees, your lone metal sign banging in the wind against the side of an old dilapidated building, your swirling mist, dead leaves and doors blown open by the wind, your wall of old dusty photos and your door that slowly opens by itself. Oh yeah can't forget your CREEPY OLD DEAD GUY behind the door who shows you pictures of things that can't be. That scene had it all. It was just great.
It's more like the Others are about to appear out of no where rather than just showing up or just appearing. If they show up by sub or by hiking we don't get the whispers but when an Other is just there suddenly-like Harper was- and then just as suddenly gone we hear them. And they seem to come at you from all directions at once. To me they are somehow generated by the method the Others used to travel about the island. I was excited to hear Ben mention the whispers because this is the first time we have heard someone who knows about them speak. I think Ben meant for Danielle to run away from the whispers because it meant an Other was going to use that transportation method to be there shortly. And it might be ETHAN.
This is an example of hidden audio. Don't confuse hidden audio with the whispers. The whispers sound... whispery. Hidden audio is like all the dialogue found in the scene when Sayid tortures Benry. Or hidden in the monster sounds when Smoky splats the pilot (that'll show him for subbing for Frank) . Or the autopsy scene. I think there is less hidden audio now than there used to be.
There does seem to be a connection with the "Others" appearing and the whispers but also when Smokey appears as apparitions. We know it wasnt really Walt who appeared to Shannon but she heatd whispers before he appeared. I also dont think that was Harp or Harper(Goodwin's wife" who appeared before Juliet but a manifestation of Smokey. I am not 100% sure but her automatic appearance and disappearance, he demeanor all pointed to not really being her. Another thing I have beeen thinking about with the sudden rainfalls is that when that was occuring on the Island I think it was an indication that the Island might have moved. I dont have any concrete evidence but just the way it happens. Like CHarlie said in the very 1st or second episode of S1. Charlie, Jack and Kate were looking for the cockpit of the plane andall the sudden it got dark(from all the clouds) and startd to downpour. Than as fast as it was dark and rainy it also got sunny and no sign of clouds at all. Just something i thought of when SyFy reran the pilot episodes 1 and 2. Any thoughts on that?
I think Ben mentioning the whispers confused me more than helped me understand what they could possibly be about. The way he talked about them it sounds like they follow the others around in some sort of bubble, which would mean Rousseau would have to stay away from them or they would kill her. But in many instances of the whispers, the others were no where to be found.
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