Definitely above average.
First I'll say I was quite under-whelmed by "what Kate did." Like someone else said, when does this fit into her whole life story? We already heard her as a kid on tape saying she was running, but obviously the actual killing took place much later. So what was she running from then? Was it "just" an abusive father story? I'm not downplaying the seriousness of those situations, but I think I was hoping for something a little more extreme, or less "common," especially since we learned right away "what Ana-Lucia did." In fact, her crime was more interesting than Kate's, and we only had to wait an hour instead of a season and a half to learn of it. Hmmm....
Locke and Eko make a good pair. They could rule the island together if they wanted....
The "Dad?" through me for a loop. Great way to end it. And I've concluded there's a zoo somewhere on the island....kidding of course but now we can add horses to the bears and boars.
Blast doors? Hmm, maybe something serious WILL happen if you don't push the button after all.
Yeah, Kate's backstory is over and it was expectedly lame. Are we supposed to think she's a really bad person with "murder in her heart"? She just doesn't play that way. Anyway, I think it's ironic that they supposedly killed Shannon because "she was so young that there wasn't anywhere to go with her backstory" and Kate is like 2 years older and her backstory is done and she'll continue to be a main character.
Other than Kate's backstory though it was a really good eppy...in general I'm much more interested in what's happening on the island than the flashbacks. Beyond 1 flashback per character, they are just not that interesting to me.
AKA, Worst.Episode.Ever. (Hey, nobody wants to see THAT in the topics list.)
So now it's official that Kate is a rampaging sociopath (as well as a not particularly talented criminal), as even her sort-of daddy recognizes. Run, Sawyer, run. Or if that's not possible: hobble, Sawyer, hobble.
This ep did have some good points (1. shirtless Jin; 2. sad Sayid; 3. shirtless and conscious Sawyer; 4. Eko and the tape in the bible; 5. Michael asking questions and otherwise acting as a human being would in his circumstances), but the rest was so bad it's hard to know where to begin. The ghost horsie is a good place, though. I'm usually fairly good at symbolism, but what the heck was that supposed to be? Kate's drunken biodaddy being reincarnated to forgive her for blowing him to smithereens? Her fairy godhorse? The incarnation of her independent and indomitable freedom of spirit? A reflection of Sawyer's manhood?
Kate's motivation for premeditated murder was kind of, oh, I don't know--RIDICULOUS ("My father is evil because he beats people; to destroy his evil in me I think I will KILL PEOPLE!"). The missing piece of the orientation film could not have been more boring (or unnecessary) if Martin Candle was explaining how to watch paint dry. And Walt showing up on the island AIM was as obvious as a giant flaming piano dropping out of the sky in front of you.
On the bright side, episodes like this make me not care that the show will be on hiatus for six weeks.
Why does the horse have to represent something? It doesn't. Don't overanalyze. It sparked her memory and her flashback, but it doesn't have to represent anything.
And for "worst episode ever", it sure sounds to me like you liked the rest of the episode outside of the parts that involved Kate.
There have been far worse episodes (Namely, Born To Run) where the flashback was horridly boring/trite, and the on-island action was non-existant.
I thought this ep was so well done on many levels...
Kate's character took on another layer imo. As I said on another thread I'm not entirely convinced there wasn't a lot more behind what Wayne did. She just seemed to despise him & herself beyond what he did to her mother. Not that that isn't absolutely horrific, but I've always thought she was was abused herself because it often makes you feel "unworthy" & thus you act out in ways that give credence to a negative looking glass self. Plus I thought it was odd the way she reacted to being locked in the hatch closet.
With JK's kiss I thought it was fantastic, I was really pleased. I think it's trying to compare apples to oranges because JK/KS's dynamics are unique & the kisses were "hot" in different ways. It had desire, passion, a lot of caring & did show chemistry imo. It was like she gave into her feelings for him like she did Tom in spite of knowing she probably shouldn't. So she got embarrassed & "ran" because unlike Tom Jack didn't reject her which scared her more.
They did a great job ramping up the triangle w/o losing what had been established between all the characters. I loved Jack tending to Sawyer & being almost protective of him to Kate, I thought that was an interesting twist. And imo Kate's crime did her character justice for the build up. Reiterating I'm curious to see what happened to her as a kid.
I fully loved this episode. I thought that the flashbacks were good, and the extra film would have been borring had the "Do not communicate" warning not lead to Micheal breaking the rule that very moment.
Obvious? I hadn't guessed that Walt would be on the other end. What does it mean? Great cliffhanger, IMO.
Whatever the horse means or why it's there, we'll probably find out later (but not before 200 million viewers start a thread about how the horse storyline was dropped). Not the best episode, but very exciting. I loved it.
dangerdork, if you pull another stunt like this again, i will flat out delete any threads you start.
you did not NEED to start 3, count 'em 3 threads about fans rating this eppy.
What do YOU think it means?
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I voted that it was one of their best - why? Because up till now I have not cared for Kate's character or been interested in her background at all. I didn't like her previous flashback stories and was dreading this one.
I was very happily surprised to find her flashbacks interesting and engaging, and her descent into a little insanity on the island was gripping. Woohoo! To me, that says a lot about the writers', actors', directors' abilities - to get someone really interested who previously couldn't stand that character and her backstory.
i will flat out delete any threads you start.
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