Suliet (Juliet and Sawyer ship): Because blondes have more fun

[sesshoumara]

Originally Posted by bettyfinn

Time for me to put on my Daniel Faraday hat:

I have always thought that the ultimate story of The Island, what it means, what the mythology is, etc. is THE CONSTANT. They have an endgame (even end scene) in mind, and nothing is going to change that.

Just like Daniel says, though, the people are THE VARIABLES. And by "people" I mean actors and audience. So, when folks get DUIs or don't want to work in Hawaii, or get offered a great job opportunity, Darlton will work around that, as long as it doesn't mess with the ultimate endgame. Or when the audience hates Nikki/Paolo, out they go. Or when they respond so positively to ME as Ben, he gets a bigger role.

If Sawyer's ultimate story plays some big, huge role in the ultimate end game, and it involves him being super-dark, or depressed or who knows what, I don't think any amount of fan reaction will make them change what they have planned for him.

The good news (for a Suliet fan like me at least!) is that I've never felt that Sawyer was all that important to the ultimate outcome, or tied to the island mythology in any sort of way. So, as long as they have some leeway with his character arc (and I think they do!) then fan reaction will matter. We are the VARIABLES! Woo!

LOL I like your way of thinking. We are all variables

[Coconut1226]

Another thing that would be kind of cool since I'm in theorizing mood cause it's fun. What if Sawyer and them flash to 2007 and they were in another plane crash with all their memories in tact because of Jacob's touch (although that leaves Miles out of it) So when they all wake up they will have changed things but not them coming to the island. Because if I learned anything from watching shows about Time Travel. You can't change the past but if you do time will always manage to course correct itself. So Flight 815 never crashed but Flight (we'll go with) 1623 does.

So they are in a plane crash in 2007 with only some remembering what happened. But they all wake up in the same postions they were in the beginning of the series. So they will be just as confused. So we spend a few eps with them trying to figure out what happened, some of the deceased are still alive, but since it's been few years they are different people. (except for the touched ones)

And as they are walking around the jungle one day. Sawyer hears a familar voice and it's Juliet (and since she wasn't touched by Jacob she doesn't remember anything, so she never met the people of 815). Sawyer wants to go to her but stops when he sees a bunch of people walk up behind her. And we find out that Juliet is the leader of the Other's now.

When she sees Sawyer she has feelings of deja vu like she knew him in another life. It's more like an alternate reality type of thing. They've splinted off into a new reality where some things are different but some things are the same. Which according to sci fi quantum physicists like Daniel was. That is what deja vu is, if you feel like you've been somewere before or met someone before that means you have in another life. (this could be in my head because of Fringe since they are running with a storyline like that). But this Juliet is our Juliet only with new memories of the past 3 years. So she wakes up and continues her life as an Other and eventually becomes their leader.

We have 9 months to theorize about how Juliet survives, might as well have fun with it right?

[Éowyn_Jade]

Yeah, its interesting to me that they have always had that 'final scene' in mind!

Okay, Sulieters, I'm curious to know.....

Do you think the bomb was the original incident? Was that bomb what caused the pregnancy issues? In other words, did Juliet cause the very problem she was trying to solve?

My opinion right now is no.

We witnessed the 'incident' after Jack dropped the bomb and nothing happened - the drill hit the electromagnetic pocket and everything went for crap. Chang got his hand squashed because of all the electromagnetic craziness and escaped (to go on and be one handed Marvin Candle). Radzinsky escaped (to go blow his brains out in the hatch someday). And there were a few people (including Phil... ha.) who were killed because of it. Voila - le incident.

I think Daniel was right (and Miles said he's never been wrong!) - that our losties are the variables.

My main issue with Miles' thinking that the bomb was always the incident is this - if a nuclear bomb had been set off on the island would the Dharma Initiative a) even be there and b) stay on the island for another 15ish years (since they were actually all killed in the Purge, later)? After they see a big mushroom cloud and explosion from the Swan site? If they didn't die from the blast, why didn't they all end up with radiation poisoning or cancer?

Along those lines, Rose was healed of her cancer when she came to the island. Ben boasted to Juliet that no one ever gets cancer on the island '(cept for that tumour in his back.. which I suppose could have been benign).

And this is the place where a nuke was blown up?

The other issue is Richard recruiting Juliet to help figure out the pregnancy problem. Richard physically helped Jack and Sayid get the hydrogen bomb core and knew they had every intention of blowing it up.
That would have been a handy bit of information to tell Juliet when she came to the island "Yeah, all the women are dying when they get pregnant. Their uterus' look like there in their 80s instead of their 20s. And we can't figure out what's wrong? Oh yeah, and a friggin' nuclear bomb went off on the island a couple decades ago."

whaddaya think?

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Originally Posted by Coconut1226

Another thing that would be kind of cool since I'm in theorizing mood cause it's fun. What if Sawyer and them flash to 2007 and they were in another plane crash with all their memories in tact because of Jacob's touch (although that leaves Miles out of it) So when they all wake up they will have changed things but not them coming to the island. Because if I learned anything from watching shows about Time Travel. You can't change the past but if you do time will always manage to course correct itself. So Flight 815 never crashed but Flight (we'll go with) 1623 does.

So they are in a plane crash in 2007 with only some remembering what happened. But they all wake up in the same postions they were in the beginning of the series. So they will be just as confused. So we spend a few eps with them trying to figure out what happened, some of the deceased are still alive, but since it's been few years they are different people. (except for the touched ones)

And as they are walking around the jungle one day. Sawyer hears a familar voice and it's Juliet (and since she wasn't touched by Jacob she doesn't remember anything, so she never met the people of 815). Sawyer wants to go to her but stops when he sees a bunch of people walk up behind her. And we find out that Juliet is the leader of the Other's now.

When she sees Sawyer she has feelings of deja vu like she knew him in another life. It's more like an alternate reality type of thing. They've splinted off into a new reality where some things are different but some things are the same. Which according to sci fi quantum physicists like Daniel was. That is what deja vu is, if you feel like you've been somewere before or met someone before that means you have in another life. (this could be in my head because of Fringe since they are running with a storyline like that). But this Juliet is our Juliet only with new memories of the past 3 years. So she wakes up and continues her life as an Other and eventually becomes their leader.

We have 9 months to theorize about how Juliet survives, might as well have fun with it right?

lol cool theory! I always think of Stargate SG-1 when we get into alternate realities and quantum stuff They did that a few times!

[wenwella]

Do you think the bomb was the original incident? Was that bomb what caused the pregnancy issues? In other words, did Juliet cause the very problem she was trying to solve?

My opinion right now is no.

We witnessed the 'incident' after Jack dropped the bomb and nothing happened - the drill hit the electromagnetic pocket and everything went for crap. Chang got his hand squashed because of all the electromagnetic craziness and escaped (to go on and be one handed Marvin Candle). Radzinsky escaped (to go blow his brains out in the hatch someday). And there were a few people (including Phil... ha.) who were killed because of it. Voila - le incident.

I think Daniel was right (and Miles said he's never been wrong!) - that our losties are the variables.

I am with you till about here. I do think that some of our losties are variables, as Daniel said. I think that everything that happened, happened, right up until Juliet wacked the nuke with the rock. From there, I think we have a new timeline. I think that Jack (or someone) always dropped the nuke down the hole (causing the incident), and the nuke was the failsafe that Des turned back in Season 2.

[thecitylove]

Originally Posted by Éowyn_Jade

Yeah, its interesting to me that they have always had that 'final scene' in mind!

Okay, Sulieters, I'm curious to know.....

Do you think the bomb was the original incident? Was that bomb what caused the pregnancy issues? In other words, did Juliet cause the very problem she was trying to solve?

This is my favorite! (So that's a Yes from me ) I've been wondering why this hadn't come up somewhere: but yeah, I think Juliet caused the Incident, and the Incident caused the pregnancy issues, the pregnancy issues brought Juliet to the Island, being on the Island made her flash back to 1977, where she caused the Incident....and on and on, vicious circle.

I think Juliet acted as Desmond in season 2, detonating that bomb was the same as turning the failsafe key (and the failsafe actually was a nuclear bomb, and that's why the sky turned purple). Sadly, I'm not a nuclear physicist so I have no idea what I'm really talking about, but I think it course corrected and they will all end up in 2007. ...And I still think Juliet will end up randomly separated from everyone else... :alive, fingers crossed:

I definitely think when/wherever they end up, they will have memories in tact.

[Éowyn_Jade]

Originally Posted by wenwella

I am with you till about here. I do think that some of our losties are variables, as Daniel said. I think that everything that happened, happened, right up until Juliet wacked the nuke with the rock. From there, I think we have a new timeline. I think that Jack (or someone) always dropped the nuke down the hole (causing the incident), and the nuke was the failsafe that Des turned back in Season 2.

True! Daniel told Desmond that he was special - that somehow the rules did not apply to him. Maybe Juliet is the same? Maybe she was the one variable in that scene that changed things as she started to hit that bomb that never went off the last time?

Interesting about the nuke/failsafe.....so they potentially used that nuke that was chilling at the bottom there (since it didn't go off) in the failsafe of the hatch? hmmmmmmmmm.

Kind of a couple big events that all seemed similar - activating the fail safe, turning the donkey wheel, and Juliet hitting the bomb

[1DocLover]

Originally Posted by thecitylove

I definitely think when/wherever they end up, they will have memories in tact.

I agree. What would be the point of the last five seasons just to have all their memories wiped clean. It will all have been pointless, or at least alot of it would have. I think they will all be on a different place, but still on the island, in the correct year, with memories in tact ..... and then all of their purposes will come to fruition.

And thecitylove - I adore your avi. That is my absolute favorite song by Dire Straits. In fact, I'm going to listen to it right now. And very very appropriate for Miss Juliet and our lovely new (or really three year old) couple!

[Coconut1226]

I need some cheering up Suliet fans. ***Mod edited*** I think I need to stay here where we can talk happily about Suliet in peace.

They can do so many things with Juliet now. Her reappearance will be epic.

[thecitylove]

Originally Posted by 1DocLover

And thecitylove - I adore your avi. That is my absolute favorite song by Dire Straits. In fact, I'm going to listen to it right now. And very very appropriate for Miss Juliet and our lovely new (or really three year old) couple!

Thank you Doc! I absolutely love the song also! I was listening to it the other day and some of the lyrics are just so right on. "It was just that the time was wrong" indeed!

Originally Posted by Coconut1226

I need some cheering up Suliet fans. ***Mod edited*** I think I need to stay here where we can talk happily about Suliet in peace.

I really don't want that to happen, but I think it could temporarily. However, I really think eventually Juliet will reappear and it will be Suliet in the end. To have Sawyer be so devastated by Juliet's "death" and then just have him switch back to someone else would be so cheap.

-or- If it turns out they don't remember anything, I think the quadrangle could end up playing out exactly like it did the first time (for Sawyer anyway) and still end with Juliet joining them halfway through and it being Suliet in the end.

Either way there's no way of knowing so might as well remain optimistic

[1DocLover]

Originally Posted by Coconut1226

I need some cheering up Suliet fans. ***Mod edited*** I think I need to stay here where we can talk happily about Suliet in peace.

They can do so many things with Juliet now. Her reappearance will be epic.

***Mod edited***

James has made enormous strides and some big changes, and alot of that had to do with Juliet. And since James had that talk in the jungle, he now knows why his friend was willing to sacrifice it all. Now, maybe the old "Sawyer" would have mosied right along with his life, and onto someone else, but he's not going there again.

First and foremost because Juliet is not dead. And secondly, he has an unusual relationship with the doctor on the island, and given what James knows now about the depth of his friend's feelings for that girl James used to "have a thing with", I don't see him being that creepy as to even try to go there. It didn't work the first time, and James flat out said that they never would have worked. What he has with Juliet, he never had with any other girl.

And let's not forget that tptb have heard LOUD AND CLEAR how very sick most of the fans (and critics and reviewers) are of the triangle, quadrangle....whatever it is. (although, as I said earlier - there is NO triangle, and NO quadrangle anymore). And tptb have also heard LOUD AND CLEAR how very loved James and Juliet are together. And the overwhelming and positive response to that relationship has been mentioned so much since the finale. It's been mentioned more so than just about anything or anyone else. So I doubt that's just going to be swept under the rug so they can bring back the "old Sawyer" and have him goon over someone else again. Besides, James also knows that was always unattainable to him.

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Did you not see the finale? I mean, that was the show before the very last season of LOST - and that set up Season 6 crystal clear. All the money is on James and Juliet.

Don't even bother going into a thread where you know you will read things that might upset you. There's no point to that at all. The best thing to do is watch the show (and by the show I mean LOST, not Imaginary Lost), read the reviews and the reactions and comments by the majority of the fans. That should pretty much sum it all up for you right there and make you feel 110% better.