Re: Jack and Kate tried to genuinely make a go of it -- but everything is wrong
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I could be wrong, but what happened in that last scene was Kate's worst nightmare IMO, and I don't see how she can take Jack back without it looking like she's becoming her mother again.
It's funny that you should say this. I always got the feeling that one of the reasons Kate seemed incapable of wholeheartedly accepting Sawyer was that he superficially reminded her of Wayne. She did not want to repeat her mother's mistake. And so she turned to the man who reminded her of her beloved stepfather, Sam Austen. She is always turning to men who reminded her of Sam . . . but for some reason it never works out for her.
By the time she and Tom had seriously connected, he was married and she was on the run. And he was killed, while she was evading the cops. Then there was Kevin, the cop - another Sam Austen clone. She managed to have a picture-perfect marriage to him. But her role as a wanted criminal put the kibbosh on that romance. She had to make a run for it before he could find out about her. And finally, we have Dr. Jack. Despite some exposed cracks in his personality and "adventures" on the island, they finally managed to hook up after their rescue. Unfortunately, Jack proved to be Wayne in a Sam Austen suit.
Maybe Kate needs to learn that Sawyer's resemblance to Wayne is more superficial than fact. Which is more than she can say about Jack. And maybe she'll finally realize that she and Aaron need to get back on that island. I find it odd that she remains the only one (I'm not certain about Sun) who still wants nothing to do with the island. I feel uneasy about that.
Last edited by Felaries65; 05-07-2008 at 12:16 AM.
Re: Jack and Kate tried to genuinely make a go of it -- but everything is wrong
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Originally Posted by adam8023
Jack wasn't himself there.
He was on drugs and alcohol so he still can change for the better. I know it!
Oh he can change for the better. But once the booze and pills clear up, I still suspect that he and Kate are not suited for each other. Once they see their true selves, they might not be so enamoured of one another. I think that what attracted them to one another were their illusions of each other.
Re: Jack and Kate tried to genuinely make a go of it -- but everything is wrong
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Originally Posted by Felaries65
Oh he can change for the better. But once the booze and pills clear up, I still suspect that he and Kate are not suited for each other. Once they see their true selves, they might not be so enamoured of one another. I think that what attracted them to one another were their illusions of each other.
Illusions?
I don't think so.
Jack proposed to Kate. She accepted.
They chose to live together.
Also, remember all the events between them ALL before this flash forward happened?
Can't you see what this is? It is Jate but still waiting to fully flourish.
Re: Jack and Kate tried to genuinely make a go of it -- but everything is wrong
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Originally Posted by adam8023
Jack wasn't himself there.
He was on drugs and alcohol so he still can change for the better. I know it!
I will have to respectfully disagree. Jack was exactly himself in that scene with Kate. The drugs might be a new demon, but the others (booze, need to control, jealousy, anger seething beneath the surface) have all been there since the beginning. The writer's have taken great pains to show this to us time and time again. Jack's downward spiral is not just starting now. It began long before Flight 815 went down.
And Jack's issues have nothing to do with Sarah or Kate (or any other woman he might become involved with), they were merely the catalysts that triggered what was already in his nature. That is why no woman, no romance can help him. He's going to have to do that for himself. Now in the real world he would need some long term therapy but well, this is TV land...
Re: Jack and Kate tried to genuinely make a go of it -- but everything is wrong
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Originally Posted by Felaries65
It's funny that you should say this. I always got the feeling that one of the reasons Kate seemed incapable of wholeheartedly accepting Sawyer was that he superficially reminded her of Wayne. She did not want to repeat her mother's mistake. And so she turned to the man who reminded her of her beloved stepfather, Sam Austen. She is always turning to men who reminded her of Sam . . . but for some reason it never works out for her.
By the time she and Tom had seriously connected, he was married and she was on the run. And he was killed, while she was evading the cops. Then there was Kevin, the cop - another Sam Austen clone. She managed to have a picture-perfect marriage to him. But her role as a wanted criminal put the kibbosh on that romance. She had to make a run for it before he could find out about her. And finally, we have Dr. Jack. Despite some exposed cracks in his personality and "adventures" on the island, they finally managed to hook up after their rescue. Unfortunately, Jack proved to be Wayne in a Sam Austen suit.
Maybe Kate needs to learn that Sawyer's resemblance to Wayne is more superficial than fact. Which is more than she can say about Jack. And maybe she'll finally realize that she and Aaron need to get back on that island.
I'm afraid Sawyer has retained plenty of resemblance to Wayne even if he had lightened up a little on the lewd remarks in Season 4. In Eggtown, the morning scene had several warning signs of controlling behavior. **edited** At least Kate recognized as soon as he asked that it would never work.
Last edited by halfrek; 05-07-2008 at 08:40 AM.
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Re: Jack and Kate tried to genuinely make a go of it -- but everything is wrong
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Originally Posted by workingmom
I'm afraid Sawyer has retained plenty of resemblance to Wayne even if he had lightened up a little on the lewd remarks in Season 4. In Eggtown, the morning scene had several warning signs of controlling behavior. **edited** At least Kate recognized as soon as he asked that it would never work.
I totally agree working Mom. It is so easy to point at Jack as an abuser but **edited**
BTW Kate said herself that Sawyer is her Wayne in season 2.
I see plenty of story left for Jack and Kate the rest of the series romantically. I think part of each other's redemption is through each other. **edited** Every couple needs angst and Sawyer and Juliet are Jates.
Last edited by halfrek; 05-07-2008 at 08:42 AM.
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Re: Jack and Kate tried to genuinely make a go of it -- but everything is wrong
Not to sound like a mod, but I think we should keep the discussion to theories of why Kate and Jack's relationship didn't work out as shown in this episode and stay away from the Sawyer vs. Jack debate. It never goes anywhere but into ship war territory, and we all hate that, don't we?
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